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Science versus Religion
As the rift between science and religion progresses, people are left in a spiritual void
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Permalink Reply by nalini on -
I feel that it's not having different religions that causes problems; it's the lack of respect for another's religion.
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Permalink Reply by Elsa on -
Kedu!
I don't see a gap between science and faith. They are compatible and even complementary. I need more time to answer this. But I will, don't worry. You can take a look at a quote i added in another discussion... I've to finish studying now.
good night! day to you..
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Permalink Reply by nalini on
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Doesn't this depend on the specific religion we're talking about? With advancing science, certain religious beliefs have been proven wrong while some other religions are found to tally with science. This has led more people to turn to such religions in recent years.
Spirituality is an essential element in a balanced life. I feel that the rift is not between science and religion but between the life style based on economic success and religion. Path to economic success and religious teachings often don't go hand in hand. This leads to the success oriented person to disregard religion. Science backs economy and materialistic things in many ways so that it may contribute in an indirect way.
While science may disagree with the fairy tales associated with religions, it can hardly fight against the basic doctrines. Science may actually prove these doctrines to be true. Therefore practice of religion can coexist with religion.
In my country, many people, specially the educated, try to develop their spiritual side. This is a new trend; And many people who are qualified in science subjects see that it tallies with religion.
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Permalink Reply by Elsa on
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I agree with Nalini: it depends on what religion you are talking about. I'll share a bit of mine with you...
I am signing out of ipersonic, but if you really care to know more about the subject, I recommend a book called "The question of God", it contrasts Freud's thinking vs Lewis'...very interesting.
http://www.amazon.com/Question-God-Sigmund-Debate-Meaning/dp/074324...
And if you really really crave the subject, read this document...the link is below.
“All human beings desire to know”, and truth is the proper object of this desire. Everyday life shows how concerned each of us is to discover for ourselves, beyond mere opinions, how things really are. Within visible creation, man is the only creature who not only is capable of knowing but who knows that he knows, and is therefore interested in the real truth of what he perceives. People cannot be genuinely indifferent to the question of whether what they know is true or not. If they discover that it is false, they reject it; but if they can establish its truth, they feel themselves rewarded. It is this that Saint Augustine teaches when he writes: “I have met many who wanted to deceive, but none who wanted to be deceived”. It is rightly claimed that persons have reached adulthood when they can distinguish independently between truth and falsehood, making up their own minds about the objective reality of things. This is what has driven so many enquiries, especially in the scientific field, which in recent centuries have produced important results, leading to genuine progress for all humanity.
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The truth comes initially to the human being as a question: Does life have a meaning? Where is it going? At first sight, personal existence may seem completely meaningless. It is not necessary to turn to the philosophers of the absurd or to the provocative questioning found in the Book of Job in order to have doubts about life's meaning. The daily experience of suffering—in one's own life and in the lives of others—and the array of facts which seem inexplicable to reason are enough to ensure that a question as dramatic as the question of meaning cannot be evaded.26 Moreover, the first absolutely certain truth of our life, beyond the fact that we exist, is the inevitability of our death. Given this unsettling fact, the search for a full answer is inescapable. Each of us has both the desire and the duty to know the truth of our own destiny. We want to know if death will be the definitive end of our life or if there is something beyond—if it is possible to hope for an after-life or not. It is not insignificant that the death of Socrates gave philosophy one of its decisive orientations, no less decisive now than it was more than two thousand years ago. It is not by chance, then, that faced with the fact of death philosophers have again and again posed this question, together with the question of the meaning of life and immortality.
http://www.vatican.va/edocs/ENG0216/__P7.HTM (fides et ratio, FAITH AND REASON by JPII)
These are the sources I recommend. To know about science's relationship with another religion, you'd have to ask somebody else. :)
good luck in your quest!!!
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Permalink Reply by Elsa on
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Hi Marteen!
You might as well see it the other way around, as rationalism being the excuse to evade believing in something that cannot be proven by our brains, since it is bigger than them, fortunately.
Have you realized that you also lack evidence for the non existance of God? Is it not that you wish faith so strongly not to exist, that you think it doesn't?
Homeopathy...I don't like it that much either. But I realize that it does at least have some placebo effect on some patients..so I generally just smile when they tell me they're taking the little pills (what is the familiar way to call them). I know they should have a better biochemical explanation to give arsenic!! But this is not a good analogy to the matter.
As for the Epicurean speculations, have you tried to answer them?
God CAN prevent evil, thus he is omnipotent. He is rather not willing to step over our wills. We have FREEDOM. If he stopped you from taking drugs or killing someone, you wouldn't really have much choice but to not do those things and even love him... no fun at all and not fair for the completely fair one, don't u think?
Would u like your girlfriend to be forced to love u?
Where does evil come from? well, where does cold come from? does it exist? no, it is just the abscence of heat! Evil is the abscence of love. It comes from not taking the choices that make us freer...
I'm going to lunch.
cheers
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Permalink Reply by Elsa on
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:)
Yes, I am using rational thinking and logic; these are our tools to get to know reality. There are some things I noticed in your writing, you might re-read it and see :)
Don't worry, I won't bother you these weeks. I've my neurophatology test this Tuesday, so I'll be a bit busy!
take care & have a nice weekend in your side of the world!
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Permalink Reply by OJ on -
Believe me, i really appreciate you guys. This discussion is NOT about a particular religion, neither is it about God Himself. This discussion speaks for ALL religions, cuz i believe that FAITH is a universal thing, some us pray through Jesus, some go to Mecca, and some others study sub-atomic particles......... but in the end, we are all seeking for the truth. That which is greater than ourselves.
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Permalink Reply by Elsa on
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WOW. I love your poem...or prayer, because it seems the beginning of a dialogue.
I understand...searching within is not easy. Specially when within is so full of stuff. But silence might help and please, keep on writing, for your poems are being listened to :)
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Permalink Reply by Simey on -
On this poem or song or whatever: I've felt this way in my times of questioning my faith.
I actually made a blog entry recently on how I'm sick of seeing religion debates crop up in silly places on facebook.
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Permalink Reply by eSter on -
science is the left emisphere of your brain, religion the right one...
left: logic explanation, asymmmetric logic, languege. ANALYSIS
right: symmetric logic (the one of the uncounsciuos), nonsense, figures, imagination, shapes, SYNTESIS
religion strives to find a sense to it alla and finds it in God or Spirit
science wants to find "rational" explanation
with the scientiic and tecnological advance the equilibrium is for science..since rationality is more easy to believe than the "gamble of God´s existence" ... yet this doesn´t mean anything since one can improve both his/her knowledge and spirituality...
today´s religious void finds its grounds more in social alienation than in science..
yet the way we (werstern as we usually put it) live nowadays owes much to the scientific progress...
there´s another point: is tecnology source of soul unquietness , as opposite to NATURE?
I considered the brain emisphere as I use to search the origin of conceptions, and actually the features of the disciplines can be roughly be referred to the way the brain processes information so to say it..
so I think that these two activity of men are not in contradiction since they appear to be expression of two opposite needs of men...
if you think that my argument is just crazy-stuff please tell!
moreover religion is a matter of groups even if we may have a personal relation to god... then that could be a reason to the spiritual shallowth: indeed there´s a lot of lonelyness thanks to the scientific advance: lonelyness and distance from nature
but I repeat this is my personal way to explain things.. a little unlogical...
cheers!!
;]
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Permalink Reply by eSter on
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I've thought it over a little...when I go to church I cannot think anymore that what the Bible tells is an absolute truth...(and it can be argued that probably that'ts nothing more than a lack of mine-inabilty of mine) I suggest trying to consider religion just from an antropological point of view, as a product of evolution, as a multilayered tradition that's considered true mainly because it has survived through centuries; it is something that simply exists-as an activity of men with the need to feel conforted in the world they live in- to give their lives a meaning. and that's simply great from living beings!
but behind this the faith in resurractions arises when the idea is forced to become REAL.. but that's too cool!
i find it hard to support with proof the originality of 'reliquie'... religion is antropology
and it's really interesting-when it does not get lost in theological disputes..!
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only the god one imagines is god...I agree with te german phylosopher Feuerbach: god is a projection of man's ideals-dreams- he/she (...) is a bigger version of the earthly human race-just almighty-
but also Kant had it right : it is a moral obligation to recognise the existence of god : it's useful for a balanced life and mind...and it isn't a case if religion is constant human activity(whether explicit, conscious or not)
the aswer lays in the middle
;D
(thoughts of a disoriented de-costructionist believing atheist)
ps.omeopathy is as far from spiritual stuff as science is from magic ---- the problem is that also scientists are superb often..they feel almighty from the height of their factual, evident, universal knowledge... the other problem is that the benefits of omeopathy don't show themselves in the short term...and many people are given diagnosis when it is necessary to act immediately... that's a boiling earth - field in any case!!!!
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